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## The Book of the Knight of Latour-Landry

### \[The Debate of the Knight and his wife on the problem of courtly love\]

 *The text is lightly glossed; see the glossary in the Riverside Chaucer for words not explained here.*

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 CHAPTER CXXII.   
   
 The Argument of the knight of the Towre and of his wife.   
   
   
   
 My dere doughters, as for to love paramours I shal tell you   
 alle the debate and strif of me and of your moder.   
 I wold sustaine againste her, that a lady or damoiselle   
 might love paramours in certaine caas. For in love is but good   
 worship, withoute any evill be thought in it. In this thenne   
 wherin is thought any evile is not love, but rather it is grete   
 falshede and mauvastye; wherfore take ye hede, And here ye  
 the grete debate and strif whiche was betwene her and me.   
 Thus thenne I sayd to your moder, " Lady, why shalle not   
 the ladyes and damoisels love paramours? For in certaine,   
 me semeth that in good love and trewe, maye be but welthe   
 and honour, and also the lover is the better therfore, &amp; more   
 gay and joly; and also the more encouraged to excercise   
   
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 himself more ofte in armes, And taketh therfore better   
 maner in al estates, for to please unto his lady or love. And,   
 in like wise dothe she of whome he is enamoured, for to   
 please him the better, as ferre as she loveth him. And also   
 I tell you that grete amesse it is, whanne a \]ady or damoisell   
 maketh a good knight either a good squier." These ben my reasons.   
   
   
 \[CHAPTER CXXIII.\]   
   
   
 The answere whiche the lady of the towre made unto her lord.   
   
   
   
 Thenne answerd to me your moder, "Sire, I merveill me   
 not, if amonge you men sustaine and holde this reason,   
 that al women oughte to love paramours; But sith this   
 debate and strif is come before our owne doughters, I wille   
 answere after min advis and Intencion, For, unto our children   
 we must hyde nothinge. Ye say, and so done all other men,   
 that a lady or damoisell is the better worth when she loveth   
 paramours, And that she shalle be the more gay, &amp; of fair   
 maner and countenaunce, and how she shalle do grete almesse   
 to make a good knight. These wordes are but sport and   
 esbatement of lordes and of felawes, in a langage moche comyn.  
 For they that saye that alle the honour and worshippe whiche   
 they gete and have, is cominge to them by theire paramours,   
 And that their love encourageth them to goo in vyages, And   
 for to plese to them by state of armes; but these wordes coste   
 to them but litell to say, for to gete the better and sooner   
 the grace and good wille of their paramours. For of suche   
 wordes, and other moche merveillous, many one useth full   
 ofte; but how be hit that they saye that for them and for   
 their love they don hit, In good faith they don it   
 only for to enhaunce them self, and for to drawe unto them the   
 grace and vaine glory of the world. Therfore I charge   
 you, my faire doughters, that in this mater ye bileve not   
 your fader. But I pray you that ye hold your self clenly   
   
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 and without blame, and that ye be not amorous, for many   
 reasons whiche I shalle reherce unto you. Firste, I saye   
 not but that every good woman of age maye love well and   
 better the one than the other, that is to wite, folke of worship   
 and honour, and them also that shalle counceile her for   
 her owne helthe &amp; worship. And thus men oughte to love,   
 by this manere, the one more than the other. But as for   
 to be so ferforth enamoured, in soo moche that this love be   
 maister of her, and maketh them to falle in somme foule   
 and shameful delite, somtime with right, and somtime with   
 wronge, for the watche whiche men \*have upon this shameful   
 dede or feate, and also suche dishonour and escry, whiche  
 soone is not put oute, And by the false watches &amp; bacbyters   
 whiche ben never cessing to talke of som evil rather than   
 of somme good, wherby they take away &amp; diffamen the   
 good renomme of the good wommen, and of many a good   
 lady. And therfore alle wommen whiche ben not wedded   
 may kepe and hold them self fro hit; And that for many   
 reasons. The firste reason is, by cause that a woman whiche   
 is enamoured of a man maye not serve God of no good herte   
 ne trewe, as she did before. For many one I have herd saye,   
 the whiche have ben amorous in their yongthe, that when they  
 were in the chirche theire thought and melancolye made them   
 ofte to thinke unto their delites and to their paramours more   
 than they did to the servise of Glod. And also the arte of   
 love is of suche kinde, that whanne one is in the Chirche to   
 here masse and the divine servise, and as the preest holdeth   
 the body of oure Lord betwene his handes, than cometh most   
 to his minde eville and foule thoughtes. This is the arte   
 or crafte of the goddesse that men calle Venus, the whiche   
 had the name of a planete, as I herd saye of a good and   
 trewe man, whiche preched and said how ones the deville   
 entred into the body of a dampned woman, whiche was joly   
 and gaye, and moche amorous. The deville that was within   
 her body made her to doo many fals miracles; wherfor the   
 paynims helde her for a goddesse, and worshipped her as a  
   
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 god. And this Venus was she that gaf counceille to the Trojans,   
 that they shold sende Paris, the sone of king Priamus, into   
 Grece, and that she shold make him ravishe and have with   
 him the fairest lady of al Grece, wherof she said trouthe.   
 For Paris did ravishe the fair Helaine, the wif of the   
 kinge Menelaus, for the whiche faitte or dede were slaine   
 afterward more than xl kinges and.xii. C M other persones   
 and mo. Wherof this Venus was of al thys grete mischief   
 principall cause. She was an eville goddesse, fulle of eville   
 temptacion. She is the goddesse of love, whiche kindeleth   
 and chauffeth the amorous hertes, and maketh them to thinke   
 bothe day and night to the joye and foule delites of lechery;   
 And specially when they be at the masse or hering the   
 divin servise, the devil causeth this for to trouble their   
 faithe and their devocion whiche they have toward oure   
 Lord. And knowe ye for certaine, my fair doughters, that   
 a woman whiche is amorous shalle never sette her herte to   
 God, ne she shall not saye devoutely her houres or matins,   
 ne the hert open for to here the divine Servise of God.   
 Wherof I shall tele you an Ensample. Two quenes were   
 at this syde of the sea, which in Lent, upon the Holy Thursday,   
 in the Passion weke, took their foule delites and plaisaunce  
 within the Chirche during the servise divine, And rested   
 not of their foly tille hit was alle done. Wherfore God,   
 whiche was displeased with them for their enorme and foule   
 sinne, made their foule dede and faitte to be openly knowen   
 amonge the folke, In suche wise that they were take and   
 putte under a grete and hevy coope of lede; And there  
 they deyd of an eville dethe. And the two knightes, theire  
 putyers, deyd also, as they that were flaine, they beinge yet   
 on live. Now maye ye see how their fals love was eville   
 and dampnable, And how the temptacion of Venus, the goddesse   
 of love and lady of lechery, tempted them so moche,   
 that she made them to take their foule plesaunce In suche   
 holy time as upon the Thursday and Holy Fridaye in the   
 Passion weke. By this Ensample is wel sene and knowen   
   
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 how that every woman amorous is more tempted within the   
 Chirche than in any other place. And the same is the first   
 reason how a yonge woman must kepe herself fro suche   
 folishe love, and not be in no wise amorous. The other   
 reason is by cause of many gentille men, whiche ben so   
 fals and deceivable, that they require every gentille woman   
 that they may finde; And to them they swere that they   
 shalle kepe to them their faithe, and be trewe to them, and   
 shalle love them without falshed or deceivaunce, and that   
 rather they shold die than to thinke any vilanye or dishonoure,   
 And that they shalle be the better praised for the   
 love of them, And that, if they have any good and worship,   
 it shalle come by them. And thus they shalle shewe and saye   
 to them so many reasons and abusions, that a grete mervaille   
 is to here hem speke. And yet more they give oute of their   
 brestes grete and fained sighes, And make as they were   
 thinkinge and Melancolious, And after they cast a fals loke.   
 And thenne the good and debonair wommen that sene them,   
 supposen that they be esprised of trewe and faithful love.   
 But al suche maner of folke whiche usen to make suche   
 semblaunt, ben but deceivours or beguilers of the ladies   
 and damoisels. For there is no lady ne damoisell that wold here   
 them, but that they shold be deceived of them by their fals   
 reasons, whiche they shold not here. These ben contrary to the   
 faithfulle and trewe lovers. For he that loveth with god and   
 trewe love, as he cometh before his paramours, he is feringe   
 and dredefull lest he doo any thing that may displease her;   
 For he is not so hardy to discovere ne say one onely word. And   
 if he love her wel, I wene that he shalle be thre or four yere   
 er he dar saye his secrete unto her. But thus do not the fals   
 lovers; For they praye al them that they find, as above is sayd,   
 And are not in drede ne in fere to saye al that cometh upon   
 their fals tongues; And no shame ne vergoine they have of   
 hit; And al that whiche they maye understand of them,   
 they reherce and telle it amonge their felawes. And of them   
 they hold theire talkinge, wherof they laugh and scorne and   
   
   
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 take their disporte of hit. And thus by suche a waye they   
 mocke and scorne the ladies and damoisels, and make newe   
 talkinges and lesinges of them whiche before were never sayd   
 ne spoken of. For they to whom they tellen hit, put to it   
 rather somme evill than somme good. In so moche that, fro   
 word to word, and by suche mockinge and frivolles, many   
 ladies and damoisels ben ofte blamed.   
   
   
 CHAPTER CXXIV.   
   
   
 How a woman ought not to here the wordes or talkinge   
 of him that requireth her of love.   
   
 And to th' ende ye be not deceived, kepe you wel fro the   
 talkinge of them. And if one beginne to reasoune and   
 talke with you of suche mater, lete him alone, or els   
 calle to you somme other body to here him say what he wil;   
 And thus ye shalle voide and breke his talkinge. And knowe   
 you for certaine, that if ye doo thus ones or twyes, he shalle  
 nomore speke to you therof, but in good faith at the last he   
 shalle praise and drede you, and shalle saye, "This woman is   
 assured and firme." And by this maner of waye ye shalle not   
 be put in their janglory and talkinges, and shall not also have   
 no blame ne diffame of the world."   
   
   
 CHAPTER CXXV.   
   
   
 How the knight answereth to his wif.   
   
   
 Thenne I answerd, " Lady, ye be moche hard &amp; evill, in   
 as moche that ye will not suffre that your doughters be   
 amorouse; And if so came that somme gentil knight,   
 worshipful, mighty, and puyssaunt enough after theire degree,   
 had sette his herte on one of them, and be willinge to love her,   
 and take her to his wif, why shalle she not love him?"   
 "Sire," sayd his wif, "To this I shalle answere you, It is so as   
 to me semeth, that every woman, maide, or widowe, may wel   
 bete her self with her owne staff; For al men ben not of one   
 condicion, ne of one manere; for that thinge whiche pleseth   
   
   
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 to one is displeasing to the other. And somme ben, the   
 whiche taken grete plaisire of the grete chere and semblaunt   
 that is done to them, And that thinken but good and honeste.   
 And som also ben therfore more curious to demaunde and   
 aske their paramours to be theire wives. But many other ben,   
 whiche are not of suche manere, but all contrarye; For   
 whanne they see that their paramours painen them self to   
 make them chere, they praise them lesse, And within their   
 hertes ben doubtting of them, And, as they see them so light   
 of wille and so enamowred, they leve them, and demaunde   
 them not for to be their wives. And thus many one, for to   
 shewe them self too moche amorous, and for to be too moche   
 open in beholdinge and in givinge faire semblaunt, lese theire   
 mariage. For, in certaine, they that kepe them simply,   
 and the whiche given noo faire token or semblaunt to one   
 nomore than to other, ben most praised , and they be therfore   
 the sooner wedded. Wherupon ye told me ones an ensample   
 whiche I have not forgeten, which happed to you of a lady to   
 whome I give no name, the whiche ye wente ones to see her,   
 willinge to take her in mariage. She, that wist and knewe well   
 how it was spoken of you &amp; her for her mariage, maade to yow   
 as grete chere as she hadde loved and knowen your personne   
 all the dayes of her liff. Ye prayd her of love; but by cause   
 that she whiche was not wise enough to answere you curtoisly   
 and wel, ye demaunded her not; And if she had hold her   
 self more secrete and covered, and more simply, ye had take   
 her to your wif. Of whome I have syn herd saye that she   
 hath be blamed, but I wote not for certaine if it was so.   
 And certainly, Sire, ye be not the first to whome suche   
 adventure is happed; For many wommen have lost their   
 mariage by cause of their amorous loke and fair semblaunt.   
 Therfore it is good to every woman unwedded for to behave   
 her simply and clenely, and specially before them of whome   
 is spoken for her mariage. I saye not but that men must bere   
 honoure to every one after that they be."   
   
   
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 \[CHAPTER CXXVI.l   
   
   
 How men ought to love after his estate and degree.   
   
   
 What saye you, lady, wold ye have kept them so straitly   
 that they shold not take somme plesaunce more to   
 somme than to the other?" "Sire, I wille not that   
 they have or take any plesaunce of them that ben of lower estate   
 or degree than they be of; that is to wite, that no woman   
 wedded shalle not sette her love upon no man of lower or   
 lasse degree than she is of. For if she tooke him, her parentes   
 and frendes shold hold her lassed and hindered. These,   
 whiche loven suche folke, don againste theire worship and   
 honoure. For men ought to desire ne coveite nothinge so   
 moche in this world as worship and the frendship of the world,   
 and of hir Frendes, the whiche is lost as soone as she draweth   
 oute her self oute of the governement and fro the counceill of   
 them. As I might telle, if I wold, an ensample of many whiche   
 therfore ben diffamed and hated of their parents &amp; Frendes.   
 "And therfore, Sire, as I their moder charge and deffende   
 them that they take no plaisaunce, ne that in no wise sette   
 their love to none of lower degree than they be come of, Ne   
 also to none of highe estate, whiche they may not have to   
 their lord. For the grete lordes shalle not take them to their   
 wives; but alle their lovinge loke and semblaunt, they do it   
 for to deceive them, and for to have the delites and   
 plaisaunce of their bodies, and for to bringe them into the   
 folye of the world." \_   
   
   
 \[CHAPTER CXXVIl.\]   
   
   
 How wedded wommen, whiche have sette their love to   
 some of lower degree than they be of, are not worthy to be   
 callid wommen.   
   
   
 Also, they whiche putte and sette their love on thre   
 maner of folke, that is to wite, wedded men, prestes,   
 and monkes, and as to servauntes and folke of noughte,   
   
   
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 These maner of wommen whiche take to their paramours and   
 love such folke, I hold them of none extime ne valewe, but that  
 tbey be more gretter harlottes than they that ben daily at the   
 bordell. For many wommen of the world don that sinne of   
 lechery but only for nede and poverte or els by cause they   
 have ben deceived of hit by false counceille of bawdes. But   
 alle gentille women whiche have enough to live on, the   
 whiche make theire paramours or lovers suche maner of folke   
 as before is sayd, it is by the grete ease wherin they be,   
 and by the brenninge lecherye of their bodyes. For they   
 knowe wel that, after the lawe of their mariage, they may   
 not have for their lordes, ne to be their husbondes, men of   
 the chirche, ne other of no valewe. This love is not for to   
 recovere any worship, but alle dishonour and shame."   
   
   
 \[CHAPTER CIXXVIII.\]   
   
   
 How hit is almesse to enhaunce a man into grete valour.   
   
   
 At the leste, sith ye wille not graunte ne accorde that   
 youre doughters love no man paramours as longe as   
 they shalle be unwedded, please it you to suffre that,   
 whanne they shal be wedded, they may take somme plesaunce   
 of love, for to hold and behave them self the more gaye and   
 joyefull, and for the better knowe their behavinge and maner   
 amonge folke of worship. And, as before this time I have   
 sayd to you, It were to them grete welthe and worship to make   
 a man of none extime ne of valewe to become of grete valour."  
   
 \[CHAPTER CXXIX.\]   
   
 The answere of the lady of the Towre.   
   
   
 Sire, to thys I answere you, I wille well, and am content,   
 that they make good chere to all worshipfulle men, And   
 more to somme than to the other, that is wo wite, to them   
 of gretter name and more gentil, or els better men of their   
 persones, And after that they bere to them worship and honourably.   
   
   
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 But as for to love paramours sithe they shall be wedded,   
 withoute it be of suche love as men ought to bere unto folke of   
 worshippe, for to love and worshippe them after that they be   
 worthy and of velour, And whiche have had grete paine and   
 travaille to gete and acquere glorye and worshyp by their   
 valiaunce in armes, These must be loved, doubted, served,   
 and honoured, withoute havinge in them any plesaunce, sauf   
 only for the bounte of them. But to saye and hold hit good ,   
 that a wedded woman shold love and have a paramour, Ne   
 take the othe and faithe of none, to th' ende that they be   
 their lovers and paramours, Ne also to give their feith and   
 othe to none, I trowe and wene certainly that no lady ne   
 damoisell wedded, ne woman of other estate, shall not put her   
 estate and worship in this balaunce, for many reasons; the   
 whiche I shalle declare unto you. Wherof the first is as before   
 I told you, that none woman amorous shalle never be soo   
 devoute in her prayers, ne to here the servise of God, as she   
 was before. For oute of love springen and comen too many   
 thoughtes, and melancolye, as men sayn; And many one ben   
 so enamoured and enflammed of love that, if they herd ring   
 the last peel of a masse, and that they knewe that their   
 paramoure wold have come to see them, they shold lese the   
 masse for to please to their paramoure. This is no game egaly   
 parted. But suche is the temptacion of Venus, the goddesse of   
 lecherye. The other Reason I doo compare to the mercer,  
 whiche weyeth his sylke whiche is fin and light, but yet he   
 maye put so moche of it into the balaunce that it shalle   
 overbere the weight whiche is at the other syde of the balaunce;   
 That is to saye, that the woman may be soo moche enamoured,   
 that lasse she shalle love her lord therfore, aud that the love,   
 worship, and chevaunce whiche he shold have, she shalle take  
 fro him, and give it to other. And for certaine, a woman   
 may not have two hertes, no more than a greyhond may   
 renne after two bestes. Therfore, Impossible is that she might   
 love her paramour of trewe love, and her lord also, withoute   
 faute or deceivaunce. But God and Reson naturell constraineth  
   
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 her. For, as the clerkes say, and the predicatours,   
 God beganne the world by mariage of man and woman; And   
 God him self, whanne he came in to this world, he spake and   
 treated at a sermon that he made of mariage, saying that   
 mariage is a sacrament joyned and annexed of God to the man   
 and the woman, &amp; how they be but one body, and that they   
 oughte to love eche other more than fader ne moder, ne other   
 creature. And therfore, sith that God hath assembled them,   
 no man mortal ought not to separe them, ne take fro them the   
 love whiche is betwene them. This sayd God of his owne   
 mouthe. And therfore at the dore where as the preest maketh   
 them to swere that they shalle love and kepe eche other, bothe   
 seke and hole, And that they shalle not guerpishe or leve al  
 eche other for none other better or worse; and therfore I saye,   
 sith the creatour of al the creatures sayd so, it is but one   
 thinge and one body, that men ought to guerpishe and leve al  
 other worldly love, for to take the love whiche oughte to be in   
 mariage, how thenne shold the wedded woman give her love   
 ne do any oth to some other, withoute consent of her lord? I   
 trowe that, after the wille of God and the commaundementes   
 of holy chirche, that this may not duely be done withoute faithe   
 be broken of one side or of other, and many horrible dedes   
 done. For in good faithe I doubte not but that they whiche ben   
 amorous, and given their faithe to other men, loven but litel or   
 nought theire husbondes, and that they be cursed of God."   
   
   
 \[CHAPTER CXXX.\]   
   
   
 How a woman whiche wille kepe ber honour must doo ne shewe   
 no manner of semblaunt to none.   
   
   
 There ben yet other Reasons for to kepe the love of her   
 lord clenely, withoute daunger or perille, that is to   
 wite, against envyous folke that have eville and cursed   
 tongues, whiche maken the fals reportes; that is to saye, that if   
 ony woman maketh somme semblaunt of love to some man, And   
 if that somme other her servaunt, or any other body, perceiveth   
 it, as they shalle be departed fro her, they anone shalle   
   
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 talke and speke therof before the folke; And thus shal the   
 wordes soo ferre goo, that at the laste, men shalle saye that   
 she hath fawted in dede; and by this maner is a good &amp; trewe   
 woman blamed and dishonoured. And if hit befalle that by   
 somme aduenture her lord have any knowlechinge of hit, he   
 shalle take her in hate, and of hertely love he shalle never   
 love her, And ever he shalle saye eville of her. And thus is   
 the trewe love of mariage lost and go fro them, and never   
 parfight joye ne love shalle they have togider. And therfore   
 grete perille is to every wedded woman to put her lord and his   
 estate, &amp; the welthe &amp; joye of her mariage, in this balaunce   
 &amp; in suche perillous auenture. Wherfor I counceill not to no   
 good woman to have any paramour, ne to be amorous, in so   
 moch that see be subget to other than to her lord; for by suche   
 a cause many good mariages have ben left &amp; forgoten, &amp;, for   
 one word that is come therof, an C evils ben comen therfor.   
 I shal telle you therof one example of them whiche ben dede,   
 &amp; have finished their lives by the perils whiche ben in   
 folishe love. The lady of Coussy &amp; her paramoure deide   
 therof, &amp; also did the castellaine of the Verger, And after   
 her the duchesse, And also many other deyde therof, only for   
 the love, and the most parte withoute Confession or shrifte,   
 wherfore I wote not how they doo in the other world. But I   
 doubte not but that the delites and plaisaunces whiche they   
 tooke therof in this world shalle be to them derely sold; And   
 the delites of them that ben amorous ben suche, that for one   
 joye that they receive of hit, they suffre and have therfore   
 an C dulours, And for one worship, honderd shames. And   
 ever I have herd saye, that a woman amorous shalle never   
 after love her lord with good herte, but that she shalle ever be   
 in melancolye and in smalle thoughtes."  
   
   
 \[CHAPTER CXXXI.\]   
   
 How a knight loved the lady of the Toure.   
 "Lady, ye make me to be merveilled how that ye so   
 sore discounceille them to love. Wene ye to doo me to  
   
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 beleve that ye be so trewe in your spekinge, that ye never   
 were amorous? Certainly I have wel herd the complainte of   
 some, of whome ye hold wel your pees." "Sire, sayd the lady,   
 "I trowe that ye wold not beleve me if I told to you the very   
 trouthe therof; but as for to saye I have ben prayd of love,   
 I have many times perceived how somme men were aboute to   
 speke to me therof, but ever I brake their wordes, &amp; called   
 to me somme other, wherby I did breke their faitte. Wherof   
 ones hit befelle, as many knightes and ladyes were playinge   
 with me, that a knight sayd to me how that he loved all the   
 ladyes that ben in this world. And I did demaunde and asked   
 him if hit was long syn that sekenes &amp; eville had taken him.   
 &amp; he answerd that it was wel ij yere gone and past, and   
 that never he durst telle it to me. I thenne answerd to him   
 that it was nothinge of that space of time, &amp; that he hasted   
 him too moche, and that it was but a temptacion, &amp; that he   
 shold goo to the chirche for to cast upon him holy water, and   
 that he shold saye his Aue Maria, &amp; that his temptacion shold   
 sone after go fro him, For the love was newe. And he   
 demaunded of me why. And thenne I sayd to him that   
 none paramoure or lover ought not to saye to his lady that he   
 loveth her, till the time of seven yere and an half be   
 passed &amp; gone, and that it was but a litell temptacion.   
 Thenne he wende to have argued, and put many reasons unto   
 me, whanne I sayd al on highe: `Behold ye all what sayth   
 this knight, whiche is but two yere syn he loved first one   
 lady! And thenne he prayd that I shold kepe my pees therof,   
 and that in good faithe he shold never speke to me therof.   
 But at the last he sayd to me, Lady of the Towre, ye be moche   
 eville and straunge; and also after your wordes over prowd   
 love, I doubte that ye have not be ever so straunge. Ye be   
 like the Lady of the Fucille, whiche said to me thus, that she   
 wold never here ne understand the noote and wordes of none,   
 sauf one time that a knighte prayd her, but she had an uncle   
 whiche she made to hide him self behind her, for to here and   
 understande what that the knight shold seye; wherin she did   
   
   
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 grete treason. For he wende wel secretely to saye his raison,   
 and wend not that any one had herd him, but her self   
 alone. Wherfore I dare almost say that bothe you and she be   
 but grete spekers, and litell piteous of them that require   
 mercy and grace. And she is of your oppinion, that no   
 ladyes or damoisels may not disporte them with none other   
 than with their lord, for the reasons which ye have sayd before.'   
 But, sire, sayd thenne the Lady of the Tour to her lord,   
 as for your doughters, ye may saye to them and charge them   
 of that what shalle befalle you, but after the faitte or dede   
 right shall be done. Sire, I pray to God that to worship and   
 honour they may come, as I desire. For min entencion and   
 will is not to ordaine upon none ladyes ne damoisels, but if   
 hit be upon min owne doughters, of whome I have the   
 chastisement and charge. For every good lady or damoiselle,   
 if God be pleased, shalle governe and kepe hem self well to   
 their worship and honour, withoute I, that am of litell witte   
 and litell knowinge, entremete me therof."   
   
   
 \[CHAPTER CXXXII.\]   
   
   
 Yet speketh the knight of the Toure.   
   
   
 "At the lest, my lady, I wille yet argue to you, saying   
 that, if she may seme to come unto worship and valour,   
 the whiche had never, ne also shold have courage ne   
 hardines to put hem self in pain to have hit, but it were for   
 the love and plaisir of his lady, and by good trust to be a good   
 knight, and renommed amonge the valiaunt and hardy, for to   
 gete worship and the grace of his paramour. And for a litell   
 chere, a man cominge of lowe degree may be enhaunced by his   
 love, and be compted amonge the worthy and valiaunt."  
   
   
 \[CHAPTER CXXXIII.\]   
   
 How one must be wily and subtill for to discovere his love.   
   
   
 "Sire, hit semeth me that there be many maners of love, and,   
 as men saye, the one is better than the other. For if hit   
   
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 be so that a knight or squier loveth somme lady or damoiselle   
 by worship and honoure only, and for to kepe her worship   
 and the curtosie of her, and for the good that she shall do to   
 him, suche love is good, which is without prayer or request."   
 "What, lady, if he requireth her to kisse or embrace him, it   
 is no force, the windes blowen it away!" "Ha. a! Sire, I   
 answere unto you, that as wel to my doughters as to other that   
 me semeth; and therto I consente, that they may make to   
 them good chere, and that they kisse them before all, to th' ende   
 that they lose not their valour. But as for my doughters   
 which ben here present, I defende and withsaye to them the  
 kissing, and all such maners of disportes. For the wise lady   
 Rebecca, whiche was right gentill and noble, sayeth, the   
 kissinge is nighe parente and cosin unto the foule faytte   
 or ded. And Sibylle sayth, that the first sign or token of   
 joye is the loke or beholding; and after the amorous loke they   
 come to the kissinge, and thenne the dede or faytte; the   
 whiche dede taketh away the love &amp; worship of God &amp; of the   
 world; &amp; thus they come from one dede to another. &amp; I lete   
 you know that me semeth that, as\_sone as they suffre hem to be   
 kissed, they put hem self in the subjection of the devill,   
 which is to subtill. For suche one weneth wel at the   
 beginning to kepe him firmely and be stronge, the whiche   
 he deceiveth by his subtill arte and crafte, and by suche   
 kissinges. And thus, as one kissinge draweth to him another,   
 and as the fire kindleth a strawe, and fro that strawe it   
 cometh and kindleth another, &amp; thus atte last the bedde   
 is a-fire, &amp; the hous also; in like wise is it of suche love.   
 And yet I charge you, my faire doughters, that ye be no   
 players. For suche playing causeth oftime many a folishe   
 loke and beholdinge, by the whiche may peraventer come   
 blame and eville renomme. I herd ones reherse and saye a   
 tale of the Duchess of Baviera, how that she had wel twenty   
 subgettes, as men sayd, the whiche loved her, and to eche of   
 them she gaf signe and token of love. She playd with them at   
 the tables and wan of them coursers, and hackneys, and dere   
   
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 and riche furringes, and also ringes and precious stones, and   
 many other jewels; and grete proffite she had by them, But,   
 for certaine, she could never kepe her self so wel, but that at   
 the last she was blamed and diffamed. And better it had be   
 for her worship, that she had bought and payed alle that she   
 had of them half derer more than it was worth. Therfore   
 grete perile is to every lady or damoisell, and to all other good   
 and worshipfull wommen, to use such playinge and be of suche   
 liff. For the most appertise and wise find them self as the  
 last, by suche dealinge mocked and blamed and foule diffamed.   
 And therfore, my faire doughters, take ye here good ensample,   
 and be ye not to curious to any playe for to winne suche   
 ouches or fermailles; for by the covetousnes to gete and havejewels or trinkets  
 suche jewels for nought, many a woman put her self in subjection;   
 and oftime it befalleth therfor that they be deceived.   
 And thus is it good to avise and beware him self before the  
 cominge of the stroke."   
   
 

   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **wickedness**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **common**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **counsel**   
   
   
   
   
 **delight**   
   
 **repute**   
   
   
   
 **renown**   
   
   
   
   
   
 **youth**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **pagans**   
   
   
   
   
 **counsel**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **pleasure**   
   
   
   
   
   
 **barrel**   
 **died**   
 **fornicators flayed**  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **smitten**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **faring**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **shame**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **twice**   
   
   
   
 **joking**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **esteem**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **esteem**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **value**   
   
 **feared**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **dealer in cloths**   
   
   
   
   
   
 **respect**   
   
   
   
   
 **deception**   
   
    
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **separate**   
   
   
   
 **sick and healthy abandon**  
   
   
 **abandon**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **perfect**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **C = hundred**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **sorrows**   
   
   
 **bitter**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **advise against suppose, intend**  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **since sickness**  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **supposed, intended**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **sense, meaning**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **counted**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **forbid and deny**   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 **experienced**   
   
   
   
    
   
   
 **consider, take thought**